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nyykiLazy Sunday: Time to wax philosophical....
There is a saying: "There is no truth, only perception." There is a lot of sense to that.
Let's look at Laurie and Dagda and Minirth for a moment. Laurie has a very specific perception of Dagda. (It is said Love is blind. There are so many ways this is true...) Minirth has a differing perception of Dagda. Which one is correct?
Probably neither is 100% accurate. So in essence, there are at least 3 Dagdas -- Lauries, Min's, and the Dagda that Dagda perceives.
Can anyone know the core truth of another? I sometimes wonder.
Moving forward with this, people have perceptions of themselves that are often pretty far off the mark, thanks to perspective, self delusion, intelligence level, and fear of facing the truth about themselves. This is why 00Ho can see herself as simply a polyamourous bisexual ethical slut, while many others see her as skank. (I find myself leaning toward the latter feeling, simply because of my prior interactions with poly-bi females, my values, etc. Doesn't make it true, of course.) I know a man who is similar. He claims to be poly, but only if he is the only man in the picture -- his girlfriends can date other women, but he has to be the only male they sleep with. Since his viewpoint is so heavily focused on what tabs fit into what slots, my personal feeling is that he is more a swinger than a poly. (And a control freak as well.)
In dealing with others, and their perceptions of people, I tend to deal with their perceptions of people, not mine. Min has a strong picture of Dagda in her mind. So, in interacting on her journal, I use that model in referring to him. After all, I have not walked in her shoes, so I do not know what she has experienced, and it serves no purpose to simply argue with her about the differences we see in him, not to mention that doing so on her journal is rude. And taking into account that we cannot know what Laurie sees in him, or what he sees in himself, it is pretty pointless to foist my reality tunnel on someone else anyway, as chances are, I am most decidedly wrong about a large part of it.
A friend of mine once turned me on to the dual concepts of a person's position in relation to others. I think it was Charles Foote who said, "If a million people believe in a dumb idea, it's still a dumb idea." And we counter this with the thought that "if you are the only one seeing things differently than everyone else, who has the highest possibility of being wrong?"
A lot of the current drama in my life and around me has gotten me to thinking about the masks we wear. I've seen a lot of this going on. And in many cases it is a healthy thing. Min uses her Min journal for "Bitchy Asides and Commentary." This one mask she wears -- Not in the derogatory sense of mask, mind you, but in the sense that this is an outlet for a specific aspect of herself. Her Lynxfeather journal is another side of her, hence, another mask.
This journal is a mask for me -- I let my acerbic, misanthropic side out. And of course, that tends to be hyperbolic, somewhat intense, and.... well, somewhat bitchy. It is a side I don't get to let out much, and sometimes ya just gotta vent. (And if you're reading my journal and I'm writing harshly about someone you know or someone you are, just understand that I don't hate anyone. And if something I say is striking a chord, you might want to look at yourself and ask why this stinks -- stuff we know to be untrue about ourselves is easy to dismiss, while the stuff with a grain of truth is much harder to flush away.)
I'd like to continue, but to quote David Lee Roth, "I'd like to talk more Philosophy, but I gotta go pee. That Philosophy goes right through ya..."
There is a saying: "There is no truth, only perception." There is a lot of sense to that.
Let's look at Laurie and Dagda and Minirth for a moment. Laurie has a very specific perception of Dagda. (It is said Love is blind. There are so many ways this is true...) Minirth has a differing perception of Dagda. Which one is correct?
Probably neither is 100% accurate. So in essence, there are at least 3 Dagdas -- Lauries, Min's, and the Dagda that Dagda perceives.
Can anyone know the core truth of another? I sometimes wonder.
Moving forward with this, people have perceptions of themselves that are often pretty far off the mark, thanks to perspective, self delusion, intelligence level, and fear of facing the truth about themselves. This is why 00Ho can see herself as simply a polyamourous bisexual ethical slut, while many others see her as skank. (I find myself leaning toward the latter feeling, simply because of my prior interactions with poly-bi females, my values, etc. Doesn't make it true, of course.) I know a man who is similar. He claims to be poly, but only if he is the only man in the picture -- his girlfriends can date other women, but he has to be the only male they sleep with. Since his viewpoint is so heavily focused on what tabs fit into what slots, my personal feeling is that he is more a swinger than a poly. (And a control freak as well.)
In dealing with others, and their perceptions of people, I tend to deal with their perceptions of people, not mine. Min has a strong picture of Dagda in her mind. So, in interacting on her journal, I use that model in referring to him. After all, I have not walked in her shoes, so I do not know what she has experienced, and it serves no purpose to simply argue with her about the differences we see in him, not to mention that doing so on her journal is rude. And taking into account that we cannot know what Laurie sees in him, or what he sees in himself, it is pretty pointless to foist my reality tunnel on someone else anyway, as chances are, I am most decidedly wrong about a large part of it.
A friend of mine once turned me on to the dual concepts of a person's position in relation to others. I think it was Charles Foote who said, "If a million people believe in a dumb idea, it's still a dumb idea." And we counter this with the thought that "if you are the only one seeing things differently than everyone else, who has the highest possibility of being wrong?"
A lot of the current drama in my life and around me has gotten me to thinking about the masks we wear. I've seen a lot of this going on. And in many cases it is a healthy thing. Min uses her Min journal for "Bitchy Asides and Commentary." This one mask she wears -- Not in the derogatory sense of mask, mind you, but in the sense that this is an outlet for a specific aspect of herself. Her Lynxfeather journal is another side of her, hence, another mask.
This journal is a mask for me -- I let my acerbic, misanthropic side out. And of course, that tends to be hyperbolic, somewhat intense, and.... well, somewhat bitchy. It is a side I don't get to let out much, and sometimes ya just gotta vent. (And if you're reading my journal and I'm writing harshly about someone you know or someone you are, just understand that I don't hate anyone. And if something I say is striking a chord, you might want to look at yourself and ask why this stinks -- stuff we know to be untrue about ourselves is easy to dismiss, while the stuff with a grain of truth is much harder to flush away.)
I'd like to continue, but to quote David Lee Roth, "I'd like to talk more Philosophy, but I gotta go pee. That Philosophy goes right through ya..."
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Well, No...
Date: 2001-02-28 08:00 am (UTC)I also took some stick yesterday from a friend who actually knows 00Ho personally, and is playing watchdawg. I had to explain to this person that I have never met her, and that all I know of her is her behavior on her journal, which is abominable.
Which brings me to this -- I have not been contacted personally by anyone who I have used as the object of satire. I have only spoken to their posse of defenders. Are these people unable to defend themselves, and need other types to protect them? Or is this just Bad Chivalry on Acid? (If so, someone needs to refamiliarize themself with the way Chivalry works, cause this truly ain't it.)
Realistically, this entire thing is making me want to tell almost everyone to bite me and suffer from the aftertaste, because I don't want to be drawn anymore into the drama that this month has brought.
I'm severing a lot of contact with the local pagan community for now. I am definitely severing contact with B&B. I've seen behind the curtain, and the Wizard is a scary man who will never get Dorothy home. (Something told to me by a Kindred sister clinched it for me.) Besides, the people at B&B have made it abundantly clear that I am very expendable and that they could care less if I leave.
And if anyone who is reading this has a problem with my portrayal of them, look at yourself, yes, past that MASSIVE ego you have, Past all the hurt and pain and suffering you wear like a poor pity me badge, and past the pain you keep close so that you can feel validated when things don't go your way, and ask yourself what others see that makes people like me see this in you. And if you still have a problem with it, have the balls to bring it to me instead of striking anonymously through friends or the internet. If you can't do that, get the hell out of my way, because I have no sympathy for this kind of walking wounded crap, kapiche? There's too damned many people on this planet anyway, feel free to leave it and lower the stupidity ratio by a tick.
Re: Well, No...
Date: 2001-02-28 09:07 am (UTC)I will contend that since I only know her via the internet, it is a perfect forum to carry on that communication. Besides, if you don't like whatI have to say, you don't have to engage in your voyeuresque tendencies here.
Thank you for reaffirming my concept of you. You transmit yourself very well through the internet -- And don't worry about telling me to my face in this case. I couldn't care less what you think.
And by the way.... I didn't say anything about attacking through the internet. I was talking about friends going to bat for those who could take care of themselves. So you can keep your straw man, I'm not falling that one. Brother, what a dick.
Re: Well, No...
Date: 2001-02-28 10:21 am (UTC)Re: Well, No...
Date: 2001-03-01 12:34 pm (UTC)Re: Well, No...
Date: 2001-03-01 02:18 pm (UTC)Re: Well, No...
Date: 2001-03-01 02:46 pm (UTC)Re: Well, No...
Date: 2001-03-02 10:42 pm (UTC)*snicker*
Re: Well, No...
Date: 2001-03-03 07:19 am (UTC)YES!!!
Date: 2001-02-28 09:45 am (UTC)Right on, woman.